Subject: Type of floor
What type of floor do you train on, for those of you who train with no shoes in the martial arts. Do you use a hardwood floor like that of a basketball gym, a carpet of some type, floor mats, or something else. Have you noticed a difference from anything else you may have used before?
My old school had a carpet, like that in Walmart in certain parts of the store. The fibers and such didn't frill out, to where it could get stuck in your toes, and also too thick to see where your feet where. It however allowed us not to be able to slide when we were positioned in a stance. It also asorbed the sweat as well.
My new school trains in the gym of a local church, so we use the basketball courts. My feet tend to slide easier, which is harder for me, and also, I am not used to how loud my feet land on the floor at times, and this school doesn't like loud feet placement. However, I am getting less blisters on my feet.
What do you use, and why? Do any of you recommend one type of floor over another? Again, why or why not on another?
Subject: Re: Type of floor
I have padded 1" thick puzzle mats from ZEBRA on our floor. I love them. They are very easy on the knees and no pain when you fall. Feet slide only a little. Not slippery at all. Kinda expensive though.
Subject: Re: Re: Type of floor
I've got a couple flooring types. I have ZEBRA mats too (64) that we use a lot at local seminars and tourney's. My dojo has 3 layers of 7 pound carpet pad, glued, with a commercial grade very low-pile carpet on top. We can do full IPPON throws without injury and it cost about $12 a sq. yrd. installed. (you could do this cheaper...we paid too much....a "deal" from another church member, sad but true)
If you contact ZEBRA (I think they're in Minneapolis), you can get a fairly good deal on the zigsaw mats. They are 1 meter square and usually retail for about $25 a piece. I got my batch direct, after they used the mats for the US Open, they cost me $15 ea, plus shipping and were in perfect shape.
Good luck in your search.
Subject: Belt clip art needed
I am working on an idea for a website, and what I see I like is from www.ataonline.com how they did the belt thing, but I can not get any of the images saved proparally for editing. I need some images in BMP file format, of the following belt colors individually, if anyone can help. I have some already that look like a minture tyed belt, but I need it straight for what I am trying to do.
If you can help, please email me or respond on here how I cna reach them.
Subject: Re: Belt clip art needed
Can't help you with the belt art, however, I've been collecting MA clipart for a while and would be happy to share it. Please email me directly and I'll coordinate getting it to you, however EVERYTHING I have is in the WMF format, which is pretty easy to work with. Let me know. Also check www.e-budo.com under their forum section, there is a clipart heading that may have what you need. Good luck.
Subject: To train w/ shoes, or to train w/out shoes?
In my old school, and in my new school we did not wear shoes to regular work outs.
In my old school once in a while we would have a street clothes street self defense class, where we would come in without a uniform on, and wear shoes as well. We'd try new techniques, and old techniques, and see how they differ compared to with no shoes. This taught us, that even though one could do a kick to the head, how it was harder, to do so with shoes, and also how much easier it is to fall on the floor with shoes when attempting that, so therefore showing us, that tecnique like that won't work on the street.
My new school is more traditional in some aspects, and no shoes are to go on the floor at all. We practice all technique barefooted.
What do you do, and is there a reason for it, besides only tradition? Do you see a difference if you do both? Do you recommend a certain type of shoe if you do train with shoes?
Subject: Re: To train w/ shoes, or to train w/out shoes?
Martial arts tradition is flexible, depending on the country of origin. As a rule, the Chinese arts train with shoes on--and that is our tradition. Frankly, I think it is a realistic one.
Subject: Re: To train w/ shoes, or to train w/out shoes?
I've done both. It hurts to get kicked by someone wearing boots or having them graze you with their hiking boot tread. Training with shoes was a must when stickfighting especially when practicing disarms - your toes would take a serious beating without shoes to protect from falling sticks and practice knives. Much less taking a shot during sparring - ouch! You'd lose a toenail for sure.
Barefoot on concrete is not too much fun. I allowed folks with sore knees or ankles to train with their shoes. You get used to them though and that was a problem for some students doing a kata at a tournament when they'd trained with shoes only.
It is important to train with shoes once and awhile especially if you've never done it to see the way it affects you stances, footing and kicking.
Subject: Gathering of Eagles
How many of you went to the GOE last year? Anyone going next year? I'm thinking about it - might be worth it to meet some of you.
Subject: Re: Gathering of Eagles
Please forgive my extreme ignorance, but I don't think I'm aware of the GOE. I vaguely recall that one of the Kenpo groups used that term to describe their top instructor groups, but can't recall which group.
When Master Parker died, so much political activity erupted (I'm being kind) that my instructor and all his black belts, chose to separate from ALL the organizations that claimed "authority" in Kenpo. As we had been actively training with other top instructors in the San Francisco region, in a wide variety of styles, we felt that we would be better served by focusing on our growth and instructional skills.
Please don't take this as an indictment of the various kenpo organizations, but merely one small group's desire to avoid political entanglements. I have found that the GMAU, CBBA, BBFI, and CKA seem to be good support organizations for the Christian martial artist. I am also affiliated with ATAMA, a "non- specific" instructor's organization, focused on developing quality MA instructors, regardless of style. ATAMA is holding their national conference in Reno this Oct. and will have teaching clinics all day on Oct. 7. I'll be there for anyone who might wish to fellowship, get sweaty, perhaps a few lumps and generally have a great time!
Subject: Re: Re: Gathering of Eagles
The Gathering is the largest gathering of Kenpo instructors and players I believe. All kenpoists regardless of how they split and ended up are invited. There were seminars on each of the Short/Long forms and sets, techniques for each belt level, various kenpo/kempo offshoots like Kara-Ho, Lima-Lima, Kajukenbo, history, etc. I missed it last time but it sounded like a great time to see many instructors and masters getting together to teach kenpo. Here is a partial list of masters from the http://www.tracyskarate.com
Partial list of masters:
James Ibrao; Sonny Emprado; Sonny Gascon; Al Dacascos, Ralph and Rob Castro, Tino Tuiolosega, John McSweeney, Bart Vale, Joe Simonet, Ray Arquilla, Steve Spry, Ali Mohammad, Ted Sumner, Larry Tatum, Al Tracy, John McTernan, Alan Abad, John Nieto, Bob White, (Neil Hourston) - (Scotland) - (Australia) - Ralph Chinnick - Dennis Laycock, Tim Teausant, Tim Golby, Mark Miller, Roger Greene, Rodney Hard, Jerome Barber, Richard Lee, Greg Mattson, Jerry Samuelson, Dave German, Dick Willet, Sascha Williams, Nick Chamberlain, Will Taylor, Bruce Corrigan, Sid Gee, Ernie McPeek (and sons); Dr. John LaTourrette (The Speed Man).
There may be other Kenpo events called Gathering of Eagles that are only associated with one branch of kenpo. This event is held in Las Vegas. Not too far from Kevin, right? Maybe I'll stop by a visit if we drive down.
Kenpo politics are nasty. But then I've heard the same with TKD, Silat and JKD. It's all pride and basing one's significance in their art and prowess instead of their eternal relationship with the Living God. Kenpo/Kempo history and lineage kind of bores me to be honest. I don't care what "pure" kenpo is or who has it. It's all good to me. I pick and choose what works, what flows for me. I value character over skill any day.
Good to see you here on the forum again, Kevin.
Subject: Re: ATAMA?
Oh, I forgot to ask. Does ATAMA have a website or phone number?
Sounds like a good conference. Will they cover teaching children?
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Gathering of Eagles
Just got back from a great multi-art weekend training conference! Got my fingers twisted by Wally Jay, along with some great sessions with masters of various arts.
ATAMA: American Teachers Association of Martial Arts: They don't have the organizational website up yet, but our local chapter has one in process, check out www.vistaprimo.com . We will also have more details on the national on OCT. 7-8 in Reno. It will be 2 days of training in various styles, along with instructor's clinics, covering teaching skills (yes, kids too) I think we'll run some round table discussion and Q & A sessions with our master instructors on multiple subjects.
Can you get me the dates on the GOE?, feel free to email me directly with this or post it here. Sounds like an excellent gathering! BTW Las Vegas is about a 8-9 hour drive, not exactly close by! I'm up near Lake Tahoe & Reno.
Make sure to let me know if you're ever planning a trip through this
My name is Sergio Correa, from Santiago, Chile, and I´m very happy to contact with American People,I´m´a Kenpoist, and very happy to be here. God Bless you, so you can see me in
Sergio Correa, Fourth Black , Kenpo Karate.
Subject: Re: REGARDS
I like the page you have at Geocities, great photos! My base system is Kenpo as well and I teach at a church here in Nevada. Best wishes in your training and teaching.
Via Con Dios,
Sensei Kevin Schaller
Subject: Re: Re: REGARDS
Thanks, well as I guess you know, I was in your beautifoul country 1998 and 1999, hope to go next year to Jeff Speakman´s Camp in Las Vegas, june, so would be an interesting oportunity to meet us. This saturday I have the annual lunch of Mates in " San Ignacio School ", where I made all my education. Best wishes to you . SERGIO CORREA
Subject: Re: REGARDS
Welcome to the forum brother. Please come often and share about your
training and life.
Subject: Re: Re: REGARDS
Dear friend: thanks for your answer, Is very exciting for me to contact to America, I have been there in 1968 ( School exchange ) 1998 and 1999 in Kenpo training and vacations. Hope to go next year with 2 daughters. I really like your country, culture, people, history and all the systems. See you soon. Yours in Kenpo
Subject: Christians @ AAU Jr. Olympics
Was at the AAU Jr Olympics in Orlando this past week. I along with my family were wearing our T-Shirts sometimes. We have a Texas Flag with a CROSS inside it. On the back we have the name of our school around the flag (TEXAS TAE KWON DO). On the front it says "KICKING FOR CHRIST" around the flag. We received numerous positive comments about the shirts and met some neat Christians also. It was a great feeling to know that other Christians are around at tournaments, especially with some of the actions of some contestants, coaches & parents. We need more Christians to display their faith at tournaments. David
Subject: Re: Christians @ AAU Jr. Olympics
It really is a wonderful feelign when I was at my old school, people seeing our main shirt, a white shirt w/ the cross outlined in red. They especially loved our patch which was a purple circle, gold rim, and a gold cross in the center, two red karate kickers on the side to represent the theives next to Jesus, and and white lettering w/ the school name, and John 3:16 at the bottom. Purple was royality, white was purity, red was the blood, and yellow was priority. A lot of people would say, wow, a Christian Karate School, that's wonderful. A lot would ask for those who didn't of what John 3:16 was, and when you share it, it's great to know you are ministering to those who don't know. It was also great to go to tournments, even though I just went to one, to watch the parents cheer their children on, but to encourage them even when they didn't place, and not lose their cool about it. Good idea: If your school competes, have positive friends and family to come, and if the attitude serves Christ, people will see a difference in our school.
Subject: Christian TaeKwonDo Organization
I have seen several Christian Martial Arts Federations/Associations but none specific to TaeKwonDo. If there is interest maybe we could establish a Christian TKD Federation. Does anyone have any ideas or information?
Subject: Re: Christian TaeKwonDo Organization
In 1983 I formed the Christian Tae Kwon Do Association. Although ranked as a fifth dan by Gen. Choi and the ITF in the Chang Hon system of TKD, my primary TKD style has always been Jung Moo Kwan, technically of the Sorim mit Soryong Yu (Shorin and Shorei Ryu) TKD system. The CTA catered to those of early TKD vintage. Since my TKD training began in 1969, TKD has changed tremendously.
My TKD training and rank as senior master & master instructor (7th dan) through South Korea (KIDOHAE) are all based upon Jung Moo Kwan - the early version of TKD that has also been called Tang Soo and Kong Soo in the past. JMK is very similar to Shotokan & Okinawan Kempo, with elements of Hap Ki Do - and the added flair of Korean kicking techniques.
My old "CTA" has been absorbed into "KiDoKyo" ("The Christian Way"),
an organization I have formed specifically for Christian Karate/TKD/TSD
practitioners of like technique and doctrine who are looking for a solid,
Christian-based organization. The website is: www.kidokyo.org
if you would like to see what it's all about.
In my 30+ years of TKD training, TKD has undergone three major changes, from Sorim mit Soryong Yu to Chang Hon (ITF version) to the WTF Olympic version, and modern TKD is viewed more as an Olympic sport in South Korea.
The point is well-taken that any Christian TKD organization would probably need to identify itself as to which of the three TKD versions it would represent.
In Christ & The Arts,
Subject: Re: Re: Christian TaeKwonDo Organization
You said your style is simular to that of Japanese based, with Korean kicks, but yet the forms are simular to shotokan? I wonder if we are anything simular from my old style of martial arts. My system came from Kang Rhee out of Memphis, Tennessee, but I have noticed from a friend who trains w/ me in my new style, who is a brown belt in Shotokan our katas are simular. My first five, which are "Pyungahn" forms, are simular to her "heign" forms, which are simular to the "Pein" (not sure of that spelling) in Kyokushinkai karate. Mr. Rhee out of Memphis came up with Pasaryu Tkd, which also, some of the forms, I hear are simular to that of Tang Soo Do. Do you have a list of which "katas" you use in your system? My old style had 22 of them, from white to red. I am not sure in my new style, but do know that from white, yellow, and orange, I know already eight of them. Seems like we'll have a high amount here too, but some are so simular.
If you are interested, http://www.geocities.com/tkdblackrat is my website, click on the Martial Arts icon image link, and go to Robert Blackstone's Karate Institute link to see more information on the style I first started in, and see the belt requirements and see if any of them seem simular. It's amazing to see how many simularities there are, even in different styles.
I will also be sure to check out that website too, even though that David did post the idea of this topic, with me being in Taekwondo before, I am still interested.
Subject: Re: Christian TaeKwonDo Organization
There is already a Christian TKD Association in place & the head of the Association is a member of the INCMA. His name is Dr. Charles Owens & he is in Alabama.
He has written an article for the INCMA titled "The Early Days of Tae Kwon Do." You can check that out by going to: http://incma.tripod.com/EarlyTKD.htm . You can also learn more about Dr. Owens & see his qualifications by going to http://incma.tripod.com/Alabama.htm . Feel free to e-mail him. He would love to hear from you.
I hope this helps. Thanks & God bless you,
Subject: Re: Christian TaeKwonDo Organization
With the idea of Christian Martial Arts organizations several come to mind, including us, the INCMA, but from what I have read, none of them specify a certain style of the martial arts that is in the organzation.
I do think I remember seeing a Christian Juijitsu organzation, but that was a year ago when I searched that.
About the Christian Taekwondo idea of an orgazation, I only wonder if you would allow all styles of Taekwondo or a certain one. There are several styles of Taekwondo I know of, Pasaryu which is where I started my martial arts training, American Taekwondo Association, International Taekwondo Federation, World Taekwondo Federation, Traditional Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan, and many more. Each style I have read on, teach different forms but some of the kicks and strikes are simular.
I know if you say karate, most think all martial arts, those who are not in it, but we as martial artists, know, there are many styles of martial arts, and then many styles of that. For an example, Karate to us can be Shotokan, Kyokushinkai, and pardon the spelling, Ish Ryu? There are many more to list.
Then you have Aikido, Tai Chi, Judo, Jui Jitsu, Kung Fu, and many more again.
The advice I can give on a "Christian Taekwndo Organization" is probably to decide on which style you will allow, or if to combine all of them. Most importantly, decide on which Biblical aspects you want to stand for. Also have verses to back up your beliefs, and I am sure you know that. Decide if want to do certifications of rank and all that stuff that goes with some of the other organazations. Do you have a name in mind? Also, make sure you have people who have authority in taekwondo for heads of the organzation.
I hope something here made sense for you, God bless,
Subject: Happy 1st Anniversary INCMA!
Happy Anniversary to all the INCMA members. The devil has resisted destroying us for an entire year. God is so good. Let us never forget the main reason why we all come together, and that
is to unite in a Christian fellowship.
Next, we all practice in the Marital Arts, which is a great thing, to incorporate with our main reason.
I just wanted to let everyone know, despite of our differences, we are still humans, and we all have 2 things in common. I am glad to have you people as friends here on the INCMA. God is great!
Congratulations brothers . My best wishes and of course I´ll go next year to your beautifoul country, California probably. You can see me in www.serco.in.cl then go to my english page.
Sergio Correa, Santiago, Chile
Hey, it's me once again, I know, I post a lot, but this is a very helpful thing.
I am not fustrated with anyone on here, so don't mistake my subject. I am fustrated in general. College started back for me on August 14th, and I take up five classes at a time. After this semester I have four classes, to receive my degree in Microcomputer Technology. I plan to go further, but not sure of what or how.
With my classes being spaced out and one evening class, and working 26 hours a week, I have been worn out. I am fustrated because I am very tired lately, and last week, our karate class was canceled because he was out of town, but it felt great to have a day off. I am off 3 days a week from work, but the free time isn't much. Monday's are the only time really to do anything, because Wednesday night is a night class, and Thursday night I go to karate. However, like I said, not having to go to class was in a way a relief.
I love the martial arts, love to practice with other people, and such, but when class meets one day a week, and you miss a week, you miss a lot. I have had dreams of my own school, those of you who do not know this already, but feel very fustrated with another issue too. I am only a first degree black belt in my previous martial arts style, and in my new one an orange belt. I love to teach others what I already know, but to tradition, I can not promote anyone to a first degree black belt, wihtout a witness of second degree black or higher. The dream ideas and concepts can be viewed at http://www.angelfire.com/ms2/blackrat78 however if this is God's will, should I push myself to learn more styles, just teach what I know, and just never have anyone a 2nd degree black belt or higher, or what?
More than one style cna help in areas the other didn't teach, but right now, I feel exausted. I feel maybe when I finish college, and when we move (within the next year max) maybe then I can get back into it, but is this the devil working through me, making me tired, and putting doubts in my mind, or what? I have prayed many times, but yet have recieved any answer. I am so fustrated and confused.
Any ideas, suggestions, thoughts, etc, will be very helpful in this time of my life. Please too, if you don't mind, keep me in your prayers.
Thanks and God bless,
Subject: Re: Fustrated
Vicki, I know how you feel. I've been there. May I suggest a wonderful Bible passage that has helped me in similar times? "Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established. Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil." (Proverbs 4:26-27) If you can figure out your priorities at this time in your life, then commit them to the Lord and work hard at them I think your doubts and fears will disappear. Offering those all up to the Lord and then just doing His will gives wonderful peace in your heart. " Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee." (Is. 26:3)
As for your college major, etc. I'm going to send you by e-mail a little article by George Mueller, the famous 19th century prayer warrior, on "How to Ascertain the Will of God." I hope it will be a blessing and a help.
Now as for your martial arts, please learn to just enjoy them at this point of your life. Teaching is a fun dream, and God willing you will see it come to pass some day, but don't be in a hurry on that. Right now just enjoy learning. After two years of language school in Tokyo we moved to Yokohama in 1983. There were no other American believers in our ward of 180,000 people that we knew of, much less kung fu instructors to learn from or even other practitioners that I could work out with. We lived like that for 15 years, with times out for furlough in 1986-87 and 1992-93. In the States I once again was able to train under my old teacher and learn Wing Chun Gung Fu, etc.
So what did I do back in Japan? I enjoyed what I knew. I practiced all my old stuff to keep it current, bought lots and lots of books about many different martial arts, and then eventually started learning from videos. When my little boy got old enough I taught him, so for years my school only had one student–but boy did we have fun!
So just enjoy what you know. If you don't have a video camera, rent one and video your instructor doing kata, then learn from that. Buy Dr. Kent Haralson's video of his entire style for only $30 from the GMAU (loads of Karate and Tae Kwon Do forms and techniques). Buy books about your style and others when you can scrape up the money between school bills. When your teacher has to cancel class or when you have spare time, just work out on your own. Someday all of this hard work will pay off and you will be respected for your skill and dedication. But in the meantime just ENJOY YOUR MARTIAL ART!
If after all this you really HAVE to teach someone, try starting a club at your college. Put a note on a bulletin board, announce a time for free classes (or maybe just $10-20 a month), then see who shows up.
Subject: Re: Frustrated
You sound tired. You have a lot on your plate. I hope you find time to rest and be still before the Lord. God's promise is that wait on Him will have the strength renewed.
Re: teaching with 1st degree. I did it for two years. I learned a lot. It is VERY helpful to have oversight of a national organization if not Christian, one that can over see your training and progression in rank. This is to make sure you grow and a learning new stuff and for the progress of your students. Otherwise you will have a school of people someday in the exact situation you are in.
I've been on vacation for a bit - it's been good for the soul - went rafting and camping. Even went to a good ole fashion tent revival in the middle of a cow field - that was awesome. You may remember I stopped teaching because of being burnt out and because of conflict. Just keep close to the Lord. Seek His face. Persist and prevail in your faith and prayer. Someday you may realize your dream of teaching your own school. In the meantime realize He is shaping and molding you into the woman after His own heart. Even now you have a ministry to those you come in contact with. That is a little hard for me to say myself because since I stopped teaching my "family" of students and parents that I fellowshipped don't call, visit or email much. My family is my ministry now, as well as my co-workers.
Let your current instructor know you would like to teach. Maybe he has suggestions. Maybe he could certify you to teach a certain amount of curriculum and then he would oversee your promotions for 1st black. The Christian orgs I am familiar with are Christian Black Belt Association and Gospel Martial Arts Union.
God bless, Sovann
Subject: Prayer Request
Please pray for me as I fly down to Fukushima Prefecture on the main island of Honshu to minister from August 5 through 10. I will preach twice on Sunday at the church of my friend Pastor Takahashi Toshio, then will be the speaker at the teen week of Adatara Bible Camp for the 8th through the 10th. I am planning to do a small Kung Fu demonstration on the last day.
John R. Himes
Subject: Re: Prayer Request
Although I just now read this Saturday, I will pray for all to work out to God's will. I hope this is a good thing, for both you and Him. Praise God in all that you do!
Subject: Re: Re: Prayer Request
Thanks so much for your prayers, Vicki. God blessed in the services on Sunday and I was able after the morning service to witness to Mrs. Sato, who was depending on her works to get her to Heaven. She didn't trust Christ, but Pastor Takahashi will be following up.
At the youth camp I preached five times, and many good decisions were made, including at least two girls who dedicated their all to Christ and at least 8 kids who made decisions to start reading their Bibles every day--a major victory!
I gave mini-demos in the first and last meetings at camp, and they were very well received. Well, what did I expect? This is the country where so many martial arts originated, including the Kyokushinkai Karate that you are now studying. By the way, I learned that my old friend "Nobby" Tajima (Judo black belt) has a Kyokushinkai national champion coming to the church he pastors. The man is not saved yet, so please pray for him.
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Prayer Request
Glad to get feed back from the whole situation, and the other guy you now mentioned, I will keep in prayer as well. After all, kyokushinkai means the ultimate truth, and maybe he'll see the Ultimate Truth, which is the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!